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get yourself distilled water,it is pure and store indefnitly.
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Delphina, the water will be safe as long as you can boil it. The danger is more if you can't. You can make it safe by mixing in bleach, enough so can smell it a little. Then let it sit for a few hours to make sure the bleach has had time to do its job.

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I'm thinking about buying 32 gal plastic garbage cans to put at each corner of our house to collect rainwater. I'll cut a hole in the lids, and run the  downspouts right thought the lid (no duck poop.)

Does anyone think the plastic that the garage cans are made of would be a problem.

I'm starting to feel paranoid.




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YES THE PLASTIC CAN BE TOXIC FOR US AS WELL BIRDS POOOOOOOOOO
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Darn! Ducks or geese could/would still poop on the roof! We are located on a AAA travel route for geese.

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Originally posted by RotroShaggy RotroShaggy wrote:

Thanks, KillerFlu.net.  So, maybe another stupid question, but boiling water would kill the virius?  For how long?  What about a hot shower?  Are we potentially showering ourselves with the virus?  Would the heat of the shower water kill the virus?  These seem like stupid questions, but I've never really thought about it before.  It would be a shame to be all set up to survive and then realize you infected yourself in the bathtub with contaminated city water when you were trying to wash away the virus you were actually bathing in it . . . .


Boiling water for at least 10 minutes should kill viruses.

You hot water heater only heats to 120 to 130F, and this is NOT hot enough to kill a virus.  I would suspect that if the viruses are killed at the water plant, then you have bigger problems.  As for viruses in your well, then again you still have a bigger problem,i.e, it is probably already contaminated with something else.

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I called my Wal-Mart bakery and they have 3 gallon buckets that they discard after they are done and are for sale for $1.00 each.  Don't know why I didn't call months ago!! Anyway, I was wondering since these are washed would these be good to fill up with water for drinking water?

 

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Originally posted by htpp htpp wrote:

I called my Wal-Mart bakery and they have 3 gallon buckets that they discard after they are done and are for sale for $1.00 each.  Don't know why I didn't call months ago!! Anyway, I was wondering since these are washed would these be good to fill up with water for drinking water?

 

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Sort of.  For some reason, containers seem to retain the taste of what they originally carried.  When I get containers that held stuff that I dont want my other stuff to taste like, I soak them in water and baking soda.  The lids are the hardest to rid of odors.

When push comes to shove, why risk it when water containers are so cheap and readily available.....

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I am just buying Poland Spring water in 1 liter and 1 1/2 liter sizes. So far got about 100 liters which is roughy 40 gallons. May be I will buy some gallon size bottles too. No intention of storing water in any other way.
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I was thinking of platic gargage bins new and keeping them in the laundry room.  On wooden skids .  i can fill them from   the laundry facet.

I can fill these  in hours  Thisto me appeared the cheapest way to get water in large quantities

I like the ides of adding a faucit

Or even a childs pool with lid in the basement.  for extra water.  Plus I have bottled water and can juice

Should they be filled now

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Please forgive my urgency in this post, but I think it is warranted, when this BF "thing" hits, you will have little time to save yourself from imminent disaster.  Water is imperative for life! You will be dead in 72 hours without it!

Your water heater has water, I suggest flushing it now to remove all the minerals which collect at the bottom, your bathtub should be filled when your town is hit. AND ANYTHING that holds water should be filled.

Walmart buckets may have an "off" taste, so what! Consider them a blessing. Garbage cans, water bed mattresses, kids wading pools, even milk jugs should be saved.

I'm so tired of hearing negative posts saying this thing or that is not good enough.  Any thing that holds water could save your life, we'll worry about the off tastes later, or the possible leaching of plastics and such.  Small worry when you are facing sudden death.  Get going and get going fast, water is life!   
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I did go to Sam's Club this week..they have a Reverse Osmosis Water Filtration Unit that cleans up to 1000 gallons of water ( 4 filters) for less than 160 dollars... Have not done this kind of purchase before... but feel it may be well worth  it .

 

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Ginger:  You might want to check into "StearyPEn" it purifies water by using UVL, kills bacteria and viruses, as oppose to just all the bacteria.  It is about $150.00 it is the size of an oversize pen, that is what I invested you just have to replace batteries.
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  Thanks DancingBear... where did you find this StearyPen??  I have never heard of anything like it.  
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Hi Ya'll
Another option for safe water is to distill it. We bought a 'Waterwise Non Electric Water Distiller' a few months ago. It produces up to 16 gallons of distilled water per day. There are also free plans on the internet for making your own still from an old pressure cooker. Low pressure distilling may or may not, kill all viruses, but used with chlorine it should. It certainly removes contaminates.
Some one asked about putting in a water well- it depends on the depth of the water in your area, and the type of soil you have. If you plan on only going down to the surface water, you may be able to drill it yourself, if you don't have layers of rock, gravel, shale, ect. I've drilled 2 wells by hand using a 'Seymour' auger post hole digger. Pitcher pumps only work down to 20 feet  or so, if 20-40 feet they usally work if you add a foot valve. Any deeper than that, you will need a deep well setup- pump cylender at the bottom and a pump with a sucker rod. The easy way is to use an auger 2 inches in diameter and drill to the water sand- then drop a well point with a foot valve mounted on 1.25 diameter pipe. It is physicaly demanding work.
There may be someone in your area with a portable well driller who would do it for a few humdred dollars, you just have find them.
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Ginger:  You can go online an check their website >Stearypen, it will tell you all about it , then make your decision as to what will work best for you.  IT could also be found at BassProShops ( outdoor store) website.  The issue with regular filters it wil only remove bacteria, and some other organic material, this UVL system kills viruses.  I would also suggest read all about the consumption of distilled water for long periods of time, in the long run according to the experts will do more harm to your system.  An excerpt> by Dr. Elson Haas, MD. on distilled water from his book "Staying HEalthy wth nutrition"...."   Distilled water contains no minerals---distilled water takes out everything except volatile chemicals--, therefore when consumed, it tends to attract minerals and toxins to balance with other body fluids.  The regular consumption of distilled water, can cause mineral defficincies"..   let me know if I could be of further help.
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I think the reverse osmosis filter is a great triple filter system that removes heavy metals, chlorine and such and I would love to have one in my home but I to have opted for the UV steri-pen, no filters needed but only good until I run out of double A bats. The reverse osmosis may allow a few microbs to slip through and for every gallon filtered 2-3 are wasted. Still a very good choice, requires no electricity, membranes good for 2-3 years and few contaminates can penetrate.
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  .  Hi Bohemains,I'm intrested in the waterwise distiller you bought.  Can you tell me where to buy it and possible cost.?  Will I still need one if i have a manual well dug.  The well will be at least 80 feet.  Thanks for your help.
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Has anyone ever heard of these purification products, or have any opinion as
to their efficacy?

Aerobic 07

Oxy-Stabile

Aqua Mira Chlorine Dioxide

The first two are supposed to "selectively kill" the bad bugs, while leaving
the "beneficial" ones intact, whatever that means.
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Hi Mississipp Mamma
We got our distiller straight from the factory, online. I think it was around 250, you can make your own for almost nothing. We got it just in case  we had to purify water from a ditch or some other source. You can shop around for the cheapest price- just Google 'distilling water' or water distillers'.  You should not need to distill well water from 80 feet, the company that drills your well will have a sample tested for safety, or they will tell where you can have it done. Always have well water tested once a year to make sure it's safe to drink. There is lots of info on the web regarding water wells, you will find it very helpful.  Another idea is a steam juicer, they cost much less and can be converted to a distiller in an emergency, plus you can make your own fresh juice year round for almost nothing. Hope this helps you. Best wishes
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  Bohemains thanks for the information on distillers.
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If a well is drilled and cased, as most rural homes have, the groundwater from that well will be pure and uncontaminated.  If the power goes out, the well is still there, and you can pull the pump out and manually haul water out of it.  Tedious, but better than drinking untreated surface water.  The earth itself is a perfect filter for bad bugs.

For those of you using chlorine, please realize that chlorine does not kill EVERYTHING.  Certain protozoans that are ubiquitous in the environment, like Giardia and Cryptosporidium, are not touched by chlorination.  Ozone, UV and reverse osmosis are the best bets.
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Electricity outage and water availability???
If the electricity is out x number of hours or days, does this mean that there
will be no water coming through to your house? I realize the water will
probably not be properly chlorinated, but will it even be flowing?

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We have our own well so when the electric is out, we have no water. I don't know how city water works with no power.
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Hi.  We are on city water now but about to move to country property with a well.  I plan to add a 1000 gal cistern and a generator to operate the pump when the power is out.  Fortunately, there is a spring nearby for when things really get bad.
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I'm reading a lot about using tubs and buckets to gather drinking water.  I've just been buying tons of bottled water at Costco every week.  It's cheap and convenient.  What am I missing?
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I live on a farm 30 miles from town and have a well ive been looking into a barrel pump with no electric we would have no water but this looked like something that would work any ideas? what i havent figured out is it would need an adaptor to fit a hose the adaptor on it is way to big for a hose has anyone have any ideas on that?..thanks ara
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Rick~very interesting that they are having a Rain Barrel distribution day. I have never heard of this before.

I do have a question for you engineer types. How would you go about constructing your own water barrels out of plastic 55 gallon drums? I know you would need a screen on the top to avoid having bugs and mosquitoes from laying eggs in the water. How would you secure it on the barrel?

 

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Cost comparison for water containers:

gotwater2.com:  350 gal aquatank $189

watertanks.com  325 gal  $489.44

I bought mine from gotwater2.com.  S&H was $21.90 for 2 and excellent service.  They were shipped the day after I ordered.

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The tanks sound better than the barrells but I already have 4 55 gallon barrells.

Does the water need to be treated (with chlorine) when filled or as used? - How often must it be emptied and refilled to prevent contamination or can chlorine always be added to keep it usable?

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Hi, sheilad1. If you're barrels are already filled and closed, they are perfectly safe. Some people choose to drain and re-fill every six months, because it improves the taste. Hope this helps
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Oh, I forgot. An less expensive solution for water storage are inflatable pools at Walmart/K-mart etc. Found a large one for about $200 which hold over 3800 gallons, comes with a cover. Perfect if you have a backyard.
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Femvet - that helps a great deal, thanks.

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Some of you may want to consider this.  This is my choice if boiling, bleach, etc are not available.  Treats up to 1 gallon at a time, that is ALOT easier than pumping a water filter/purifier to fill.

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Originally posted by Femvet Femvet wrote:

Oh, I forgot. An less expensive solution for water storage are inflatable pools at Walmart/K-mart etc. Found a large one for about $200 which hold over 3800 gallons, comes with a cover. Perfect if you have a backyard.
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http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3651447 holds over 5500 gallons  $297.00

How safe is this water for drinking once it has been sitting out in the yard?  What is the best procedure for purifying it to make it drinkable?  I am confused about adding bleach because city water tends to have chlorine in it.  Can someone post simple directions yet again.  There seems to be conflicting information all over and I would love to have one set of directions posted in the house.

Thanks!

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sheila~I have been looking for some information about whether or not you need to treat water that already has chlorine in it. I have not found any information on this yet but I will keep looking.
Maybe someone here already knows the answer to this and could post it for us???

 

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If your pool is not getting filtered it will get nasty pretty quickly. Our pool holds 12,000 gal, we use chlorine tabs (run the filter at least 8 hours a day) in it and also use shock, both have algaecide in it. I checked into calcium hypochlorite for shocking, but according to the pool store that should only be used in concrete pools, not vinyl liner which is what we have. If there is no chlorine it will start getting algae in 3-4 days even being filtered, ours does anyway, in hot weather. I think if we end up having to drink pool water, I will boil it first, will try to just use it for washing up, laundry, cleaning, if we can keep it clean and filtered and use for flushing if we can't.
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Hey folks,

Regarding making water drinkable using dry calcium hypochlorite (aka swimming pool shock) I went back and re-read the formula posted on page 1 of this thread.  It is pretty sketchy, so the following from the EPA needs to be added to it -

"Granular Calcium Hypochlorite. Add and dissolve one heaping teaspoon of high-test granular calcium hypochlorite (approximately 1/4 ounce) for each two gallons of water. The mixture will produce a stock chlorine solution of approximately 500 mg/L, since the calcium hypochlorite has an available chlorine equal to 70 percent of its weight. To disinfect water, add the chlorine solution in the ratio of one part of chlorine solution to each 100 parts of water to be treated. This is roughly equal to adding 1 pint (16 oz.) of stock chlorine to each 12.5 gallons of water to be disinfected. To remove any objectionable chlorine odor, aerate the water as described below.

The treated water should be mixed thoroughly and allowed to stand, preferably covered, for 30 minutes. The water should have a slight chlorine odor; if not, repeat the dosage and allow the water to stand for an additional 15 minutes. If the treated water has too strong a chlorine taste, it can be made more pleasing by allowing the water to stand exposed to the air for a few hours or by pouring it from one clean container to another several times. "

Ok, a lot of people don't have a 12.5 gallon container laying around, so let's break it down. To make two gallons of the bleach, one heaping teaspoon of the calcium hypochlorite goes into 2 gallons of water.  To make drinkable water, 2.5 tablespoons of the bleach goes into 1 gallon of water.  Let stand covered 30 minutes, aerate to taste.

Penham - maybe use the pool for your bulk water storage, and treat it on an "as needed" basis, 5 gallons at a time?  Just a thought.

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Thanks for this breakdown it is VERY helpful.

You gave us a formula for bleach and for drinkable water.  What is the formula for bleach/water for disinfecting (goggles. shoes, etc.)

Thanks again!

-Sheila

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Don't forget to get one of those 4 or 5 gallon solar showers.  You can get them at any of the survival websites like Nitro-Pak or even at Wal-Mart. 
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Also, the best deal I have found on 55 gallon fda approved water barrels is at South Summit --

 

http://www.southsummit.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=49

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WHAT?!!!   $50.00 ?!
 
That's the "best deal" you could find?  I must be a bargain hunter then when I found these for $15.
 
 
Just add 2 quarts of the sanitizing solution to each barrel, then fill it up with water.
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Can you sterislise DRINKING water with chlorine, I don't care about  water for washing etc being sterile.  How much bleach do you use, and are the surfactants in the bleach you buy at supermarkets actually poisonous?
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