What about Prisons?

The presidential order in the even of nuclear attact, all prisoners are to be shot. Look it up.wac rules.

     As far as some-one taking my food good luck finding it, I'll be the one asking for more free food so no one knows I'm stocked up.

     United state, land of the free, has the largest population in prison and it grows every year more and more. I'll will not be one going anywhere to help any one. E-mial them and tell them to start stocking up in there prison cells $25.00 should go along way. Look at it this way at least they don't need any protection from us.
    

yes your right, little harsh, I guess we change with the times, eh?

Do let me be clear on MY feelings, if they are not.  I think it is clearly uncivilized, cruel, demeaning, and just plain evil to leave non-violent inmates of prisons locked up if we cannot deliver basic food, water and care for them.  Anyone we cannot release, far better (and vastly more moral) to end their lives than to abdicate responsibility and "Let nature take its course" in a locked concrete room.  The same would go for those in psychiatric hospitals, elderly or disabled long term care, regular hospitals for people who need daily care to live, etc.  If they need to be ABANDONED to a certain death with out food, etc, we should end their lives than leaving people to die in the dark.  Some of this happened in Katrina, and the medical personnel who had to make that choice on their own for their patients being considered for prosecution is a disgrace.  Where is our leadership? No where.  Cowards.

They should at least be given the means to die peacefully, if they so wish. 

I apologize, CV.  I was reacting to some levels of the hypocracy I perceive in others' (not here) expressions of what would constitute a "Culture of Life" and other political buzzwords.  This was inappropriate to your post. 

Fiddler, no problem. At least we are getting people to think about the issue.

Take care.

NA er: 

    Get out the violin

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Edited by NZ er - April 25 2006 at 3:31pm

 

Edited by NZ er - April 25 2006 at 1:43pm

Sorry to inform you but we do have people like them walking around free in our society now..that just haven't been caught, or have flown below the radar screen.  Either way, we are going to have to deal with a type of people that we are not used to dealing with every day.  Part of our prepping is also being prepared to protect ourselves, our families and our goods.  

Well Good, sorry I just can't get past the idea of these creeps not getting executed from Day 1.

Good old Charlie never did, and from what I heard of the Scott Perterson case, he'll die of old age before they execute him.  I guess we have problems in both types of systems.

Yes your right.

Rick, I suppose that these birds, if they are NOT getting bird Flu, well, they must still be good to eat then.

Bad joke, but if you have to eat what you can catch, well, you know.

This is something I have not seen before.

Many prisons have there own farms to feed the prisoners of that facility, AS WELL AS THE PRISONERS OF OTHER PRISONS! Prison farms include poultry, hogs, cattle, etc. Farming communities should take note.

The following is from the American Society of Safety Engineers dated Jan. 11 2006.

The avian flu can be transmitted in many ways. The World Health Organization (WHO) notes, "In an agricultural setting, animal manure containing influenza virus can contaminate dust and soil, causing infection when the contaminated dust is inhaled. Contaminated farm equipment, feed, cages, or shoes can carry the virus from farm to farm. The virus can also be carried on the bodies and feet of animals, such as rodents. The virus can survive, at cool temperatures, in contaminated manure for at least three months."

The full article can be found here: http://www.medicinenews.org/post/index/188/American-Society-of-Safety-Engineers-Offer-Flu-Infection-Control-Tips

NZ, my family and I are fortunate. We live in the country and have our own septic system, so we do not rely on city services. We also have our own well, and 2500 gallon water storage on gravity feed.

We have used it for days at a time during power outages, and if careful, one tank can last several weeks. (Even with short showers)

Also have generators (of course) as the power goes out here with some regularity.

Fuel is another matter obviously, and quite frankly I havent thought much about it until now.

I think I will take 8 or 10 cans into town tomorrow and fill them up.


If you read my last post about the who, it blows my mind that there are this many possibilities for trasmission, and this was the first I have heard. I thought that they were still saying it was just with direct contact with infected birds.
    

NZ er wrote: Totally agree !! My parents lived through the 1918 epidemic. When I was little we had a large farm with a deserted cottage way down the back. Was told many times that thewhole family that lived there had died from the epidemic. Their entire house hold contents had been buried in a pit and as a child I was intrigued.Went digging about in the soil and got the telling off of my life as they were worried about contamination. Just a thought .. what of human manure disposal..in the event of bunking down and no flushing water??

Something to consider when you meet your family physician next, discuss vaccinations for ....

Tetanus & Diphtheria

Almost all cases of of Tetanus occur in persons who never completed a primary immunization series, did not receive appropriate treatment for a tetanus-prone wound, or both. The overall case-fatality rate is approximately 31 percent. Boosters or Doses ARE REQUIRED every ten years in order to maintain the appropriate antibody levels.

Diphtheria is predominately a disease of adults. Serologic studies indicate that 62 percent of adults, 18-39 years of age, lack protective levels of circulating antitoxin against diphtheria. This is the main reason that the tetanus/diphtheria immunization is REQUIRED every ten years.
    

http://www.uis.edu/healthservices/immunization/reqImmunization.htm
    

The whole point of the last post was my shock at this statement by the WHO almost two months ago! It seems to me that this is not what is being said to the general public, or have I really missed something?

"The avian flu can be transmitted in many ways. The World Health Organization (WHO) notes,    "In an agricultural setting, animal manure containing influenza virus can contaminate dust and soil, causing infection when the contaminated dust is inhaled. Contaminated farm equipment, feed, cages, or shoes can carry the virus from farm to farm. The virus can also be carried on the bodies and feet of animals, such as rodents. The virus can survive, at cool temperatures, in contaminated manure for at least three months."

I have included the link below again because I am hoping to hear someone tell me I am wrong about it

    
    http://www.medicinenews.org/post/index/188/American-Society-of-Safety-Engineers-Offer-Flu-Infection-Control-Tips