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Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk

WTF is going on out there???

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    Posted: March 15 2020 at 10:49am

Here is a smattering of comments from SM - all medical professionals...notice a theme?
This is the United States....why is this happening in our country?

Hi! I’m working in a small 10 bed Critical Care Unit in Washington State. We just had our first confirmed case and I was curious how long it’s taking you all to get test results back? Our first came back in 3 days but now I’m hearing a week or more? Are you retesting individuals that have already had a negative result but a week later show stronger symptoms? Are you only using negative pressure isolation rooms? TIA.Side note we have been told that surgical masks are acceptable, and have to get “approval” from our managers to get access to face shields and N95s.
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We all have one N95 masks from our fit testing or ones we found in the Ebola kit and put our names on them and have been reusing them by putting a surgical mask over them. It’s crazy!management doesn’t know that we are doing this but it’s the only way to protect ourselves right now!
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In my hospital system it feels like they are going with reactive instead of proactive. We are still allowing anyone and everyone thru the front doors. Is this the norm? Not even seeing cases yet and told we are low on isolation gowns.
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. ED RN in San Diego!! Just saw 2 positive covid cases among UCSD staff. Very scary! This makes me want to wear an N95 during my entire shift! But the charge nurses hoard them with lock and key .
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We have to keep the same mask throughout our whole shift if we are using it to protect ourselves from a positive patient.
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We have 7 positive some in ICU, vents, one healthy firefighter under 50, we have no disinfectant- asked my manager if a nurse comes to work w cough or fever you will send home right. They said no. We are leading the blind- first to triage patients except over the phone. Patients waiting 78 min to talk to a nurse. In hospital haven’t had N95 fitting in 10 years, very little PPE. Sterile processing working like crazy. I sure wish ppl would isolate if they can so this gets contained. Too many so far on resp support- I know many doing well but this is frightening- feels like war

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Speechless.  Well, I have some words, but... okay, WTAF?????   HOW?  So soon? How is this happening SO soon????  

Geezuz. Every hospital and medical center should have a prepper on staff. No medical background needed, any one of us could do it. They'd all have enough supplies to last 3 years.  

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Originally posted by KiminNM KiminNM wrote:

Speechless.  Well, I have some words, but... okay, WTAF?????   HOW?  So soon? How is this happening SO soon????  

Geezuz. Every hospital and medical center should have a prepper on staff. No medical background needed, any one of us could do it. They'd all have enough supplies to last 3 years.  

Amen to that!   I have served as hospital infection control coordinator and offered my assistance to our local, small community hospital for free....gave them a 3 ring binder with all of my pandemic & infectious epidemiology certificates....no response.  

The "worried well" will be swamping hospital phones and ER, and volunteers like me could help with triage if nothing else.  

Hospitals USED to have a lot of supplies on hand for the H5N1 "bird flu" scare back in 2005-2006, but when that didn't materialize, supplies expired & were not maintained.  People got lazy and complacent, even though many of us predicted another pandemic as just a matter of course. 

Buckle up, if folks don't take this more seriously in the USA, our hospitals will be over-loaded, and that is when the guns may be drawn.  I'm concerned about that, the anxiety level in rural Arizona where I live is sky-high.  


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I posted this on FB and a local weather forum. Not one response. I posted the title and then the list of specialists from some of the best hospitals in the world, figured it might get someone's attention. Nope.

Boston’s infectious disease specialists’ message to the public: Don’t be cavalier about the coronavirus
We write because we are concerned that the community response to this pandemic feels too cavalier and casual, misaligned with that of the medical community and public health officials.
By Boston Infectious Disease Specialists


We have entered a new and eerily unfamiliar era in medicine with the Covid-19 pandemic spreading across the United States and into Massachusetts. And we are worried. As infectious disease physicians on the front lines of an unsettling scourge, united in our sense of urgency to take action, we are concerned that the community response to this pandemic feels too cavalier and casual, misaligned with that of the medical community and public health officials.

In Boston’s health care organizations, the number of Covid-19 patients is escalating, as is the need for imminent and acute care. Hospitals are busy testing patients who meet the criteria of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, planning for a surge in patients, restricting visitors and trying to conserve N95 masks and other vital supplies. Physicians who specialize in understanding, diagnosing, treating, and preventing infectious diseases cannot keep up with the desperate phone calls seeking guidance about testing, exposures, and symptoms. More and more hospital employees who may have been exposed to someone with Covid-19 are requiring furloughs. Indeed, the medical community is in full disaster mode.

In the greater community, however, the response has been more tempered, more measured. While it is true that many schools and businesses have closed and numerous activities, sporting events, and conferences have been canceled, there is still an undercurrent of denial and skepticism about the warnings. The fact is we are no longer at a point where containment is an option. Rather, our focus must be on mitigating the spread and impact of the coronavirus as much as possible. This can happen only if our communities and our nation heed the clear and horrifying warnings coming out of China, Italy, and Iran — we must act fast and now to prevent the same kind of catastrophic scenario from happening here.

We have three important requests that may help us get through the weeks ahead.


Testing capacity is still woefully lacking, and we therefore must conserve Covid-19 testing for those most in need.

Early evidence suggests that 80 percent of patients have mild disease and do not require medical care. SARS-CoV-2 is a new pathogen and we are still learning about it, yet we do know that its symptoms are somewhat similar to those of influenza — the flu — with fever, cough, and shortness of breath.

When patients self-diagnose with the flu, most are able to stay home and manage the symptoms. With that in mind, we recommend that people who have upper respiratory symptoms and fever should self-isolate, rest, and recover at home, calling your physician for guidance if your symptoms worsen. A test will not change your medical care, may divert resources from others who need them, and may put health care workers and other vulnerable patients at risk. Improved access to testing in the future may help to understand and control the epidemic in the United States, but the reality is that we do not have that accessibility now.


The community must begin social distancing immediately.

“Social distancing,’’ or minimizing the unnecessary interaction among people who might or might not be infected, may be a perceived hardship, but it is a well-established mitigation strategy to protect you and your loved ones from getting sick. Over 75 percent of transmission in China was driven by family clusters. Our community should take seriously its civic responsibility to minimize unnecessary interaction among people, staying away from crowds and congested places. Fortunately, with Covid-19, children fare well, most often with mild or no symptoms. It appears that the risk of children gathering in classrooms or other locations is not necessarily as great as the risk of congregating, for example, in houses of worship, senior centers, nursing homes, and other places that bring together elderly or medically compromised adults.


The public should help in conserving vital medical resources, such as health care provider time and personal protective equipment, such as masks and gloves.

While the situation is dynamic, with many unknowns, we are taking bold steps in each of our medical centers to respond in what we believe is the most prudent manner. We are all moving toward reducing the level of elective clinical care to free up our facilities and staff to care for the likely surge of patients with Covid-19.

Simultaneously, we recognize the need to continue to meet the urgent needs of the patients who are seriously ill with other diseases. Prioritizing those in greatest need will reduce the potential that patients or caregivers are incidentally infected. We are also working hard to preserve our own use of protective equipment — including video communications and streamlining care — so we are safe and well-equipped to provide care to those in most need.

During this looming public health crisis, we at Boston’s biomedical epicenter are collaborating with each other and our colleagues nationwide to ensure swift implementation of best practices and lessons learned. We are foot soldiers in the war against a relentless foe, and we implore you to help in the battle.


Dr. Tamar Foster Barlam is chief of Section of Infectious Diseases at Boston Medical Center. Dr. Helen W. Boucher is chief of the Division of Geographic Medicine and Infectious Diseases at Tufts Medical Center. Dr. Daniel Kuritzkes is chief of Infectious Diseases at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. Dr. Matthew R. Leibowitz is chief of Infectious Diseases at Newton-Wellesley Hospital. Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky is chief of Infectious Diseases at Massachusetts General Hospital. Dr. Peter F. Weller is chief of Infectious Diseases at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Dr. Kenneth M. Wener is chair of the Division of Infectious Diseases at Lahey Hospital and Medical Center.

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^ Thank you, KSC, this is a valuable contribution that I intend to cut & paste! 

If possible, always try to provide the hyperlink or attribution to your article, so we can share it more easily. 

I found this by cutting & pasting the first words of the article:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/13/opinion/bostons-infectious-disease-specialists-message-public-dont-be-cavalier-about-coronavirus/

Be safe, Chuck

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One of my oldest friends I have known almost 25 years is an ER nurse. This is what she told me:

Honestly, for me, it’s not if I will get it but when and I have accepted that. Supplies aren’t gone but suppliers are telling us we will run out of masks and possibly gowns. I fear that people will ignore the pleas to not flood the hospitals to get tested and we won’t have enough workers or the capacity to care for people.

She also told me that the hospitals in Michigan don’t have any tests. They have to get permission from the health department to test and then send it to the CDC.

She said she was in contact with people who had been near one of the first positive cases. 

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