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    Posted: July 01 2014 at 2:59pm
Does this seem like madness to y'all?  Seems like madness to me.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/11/crazy-dangerous-creation-deadly-airborne-flu-virus
 
 
“He left no doubt in my mind that he had achieved it. He used a flu virus that is known to infect humans and then manipulated it in such a way that it would effectively leave the global population defenceless if it ever escaped from his laboratory,” he said.

“He’s basically got a known pandemic strain that is now resistant to vaccination. Everything he did before was dangerous but this is even madder. This is the virus,” he added."

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If it's true, yeah, can't be any madder. How can people openly mess with this stuff anywhere in the world without swiftly being taken out. They're not even that blatant in the movies. This is where politics meets pandemics. There are people of a distinct political persuasion who would simply launch a missile up his... And why don't these guys try making a virus that kinda just makes people happy, or live longer? Oh yeah, they do. They're called vaccines. But what about a contagious vaccine? Now there's a thought.
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Here is this irresponsible scientists email .....

kawaokay@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu

Send him a message (like I did) telling him what you think of his irresponsible research.

Here is his university home page

http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/people/kawaokay/
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Thanks, everyone!!  I agree 100%.  

This is a very good rebuttal to Dr. Kawaoka and his ally Dr.  Fouchier,  from some very serious folks in our field:


We note that they impose a risk of accidental and deliberate release that, if it led to extensive spread of the new agent, could cost many lives. While such a release is unlikely in a specific laboratory conducting research under strict biosafety procedures, even a low likelihood should be taken seriously, given the scale of destruction if such an unlikely event were to occur. Furthermore, the likelihood of risk is multiplied as the number of laboratories conducting such research increases around the globe.

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Kawaoka is nuts.  This research will bear very little, if any, positive information that could translate into new vaccines.  It is all risk, pure and simple.  

Money is better spent on creating a new, "universal" flu vaccine that would allow us to react to any strain that pops up in nature.  Trying to guess what nature is going to throw at us is just sheer arrogance.  
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I just found a NY Times editorial by Dr. Marc Lipsitch of Harvard School of Public Health.  Top-notch talent, he nails it....

There are dozens of safe research strategies to understand, prevent and treat pandemic flu. Only one strategy — creating virulent, contagious strains — risks inciting such a pandemic. The anthrax incident reminds us of the dangers in even the best labs. We should stop creating new potential pandemic flu strains and shift the research dollars to safer, more productive flu studies.

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The part I don't get is this, if this guy had created a bunch of intelligent, self replicating, killer robots that could evade our sensors and military, and destroy mankind, we would treat him as a total nut job and his sorry ass would be being used as currency in the nearest high security prison that can be found. Mr big is waiting for you in the shower...

The fact he has created a bunch of microscopic, self replicating in human hosts, killer robots in the form of virus's that can destroy mankind. And he's expecting to get praise for it just seems beyond bizarre to me.

Surely there is some law that states anyone who does this should be slammed face first into a pebble dashed wall until they understand their actions are wrong, wrong, wrong!

I bet his real life neighbours are really happy to discover they live next door to a loon who likes making lethal viruses for a laugh. He aught to be careful they don't repay his scientific excellence with mobs and burning torches in the middle of the night.


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Second that
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Originally posted by onefluover onefluover wrote:

Second that

Smart folks!  

There's a raging debate in the professional field about this, please read my comment & others in this blog post.  


Look, there are all sorts of things we can do in a modern lab - make a bacterium that is resistant to every known antibiotic, for example.  However, if these things do not already occur in nature, I believe we are treading in unethical water when we do this.  

I think the funding is better spent developing a new, "universal" influenza vaccine that will help stimulate immunity based upon other sections of the virus besides the H or N enzyme.  There is promising research going on in this field. 


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I think this is one of those instances where scientists have painted themselves into a corner. one of the mixed messages this whole sorry affair sends out is...

On one hand 97% of scientists say that computer modelling, for example, is so good now that we can use those models to force awareness of global warming and understand its potential consequences on us all. But on the other hand, when it comes to lethal virus's that could wipe us all out for sure, it has to be real, computer models are not good enough.

If computer modelling is so good they can use it to demand extra tax from me, why is it not good enough to simulate the work this professor did instead of him actually making a virus to find out what he wanted to know?

I think I have raised a bigger question here about modern science as a whole presents itself to the great unwashed (all of us), and I guess more importantly, how modern politicised science has eroded the credibility of the entire profession and all its sub branches for its own ends, in the eyes of the general public.

I also think one look at a picture of the professor that did this tells its own story. here he is...



I wouldn't buy a computer simulation of a second hand car from this person. Would you?

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From The Independant:


Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin-Madison has genetically manipulated the 2009 strain of pandemic flu in order for it to “escape” the control of the immune system’s neutralising antibodies, effectively making the human population defenceless against its reemergence.
Most of the world today has developed some level of immunity to the 2009 pandemic flu virus, which means that it can now be treated as less dangerous “seasonal flu”. However, The Independent understands that Professor Kawaoka intentionally set out to see if it was possible to convert it to a pre-pandemic state in order to analyse the genetic changes involved.
The study is not published, however some scientists who are aware of it are horrified that Dr Kawaoka was allowed to deliberately remove the only defence against a strain of flu virus that has already demonstrated its ability to create a deadly pandemic that killed as many as 500,000 people in the first year of its emergence.
Professor Kawaoka has so far kept details of the research out of the public domain but admitted today that the work is complete and ready for submission to a scientific journal. The experiment was designed to monitor the changes to the 2009 H1N1 strain of virus that would enable it to escape immune protection in order to improve the design of vaccines, he said.
“Through selection of immune escape viruses in the laboratory under appropriate containment conditions, we were able to identify the key regions [that] would enable 2009 H1N1 viruses to escape immunity,” Professor Kawaoka said in an email.
“Viruses in clinical isolates have been identified that have these same changes in the [viral protein]. This shows that escape viruses emerge in nature and laboratory studies like ours have relevance to what occurs in nature,” he said.
Prior to his statement to The Independent, Professor Kawaoka’s only known public mention of the study was at a closed scientific meeting earlier this year. He declined to release any printed details of his talk or his lecture slides.
Yoshihiro Kawaoka's study has yet to be published

Some members of the audience, however, were shocked and astonished at his latest and most audacious work on flu viruses, which follow on from his attempts to re-create the 1918 flu virus and an earlier project to increase the transmissibility of a highly lethal strain of bird flu.
“He took the 2009 pandemic flu virus and selected out strains that were not neutralised by human antibodies. He repeated this several times until he got a real humdinger of a virus,” said one scientist who was present at Professor Kawaoka’s talk.
“He left no doubt in my mind that he had achieved it. He used a flu virus that is known to infect humans and then manipulated it in such a way that it would effectively leave the global population defenceless if it ever escaped from his laboratory,” he said.
“He’s basically got a known pandemic strain that is now resistant to vaccination. Everything he did before was dangerous but this is even madder. This is the virus,” he added.
The work was carried out at Wisconsin University’s $12m (£7.5m) Institute for Influenza Virus Research in Madison which was built specifically to house Professor Kawaoka’s laboratory, which has a level-3-agriculture category of biosafety: one below the top safety level for the most dangerous pathogens, such as Ebola virus.
However, this study was done at the lower level-2 biosafety. The university has said repeatedly that there is little or no risk of an accidental escape from the lab, although a similar US Government lab at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta with a higher level-3 biosafety rating was recently criticised over the accidental exposure of at least 75 lab workers to possible anthrax infection.
Professor Kawaoka’s work had been cleared by Wisconsin’s Institutional Biosafety Committee, but some members of the committee were not informed about details of the antibody study on pandemic H1N1, which began in 2009, and have voiced concerns about the direction, oversight and safety of his overall research on flu viruses.
“I have met Professor Kawaoka in committee and have heard his research presentations and honestly it was not re-assuring,” said Professor Tom Jeffries, a dissenting member of the 17-person biosafety committee who said he was not made aware of Kawaoka’s work on pandemic H1N1, and has reservations about his other work on flu viruses.
“What was present in the research protocols was a very brief outline or abstract of what he was actually doing…there were elements to it that bothered me,” Professor Jeffries said.
Precautions being carried out during the 2009 outbreak, in Mexico City (Getty)

“I’m a distinct minority on this committee in raising objections. I’m very uneasy when the work involves increasing transmissibility of what we know already to be very virulent strains,” he said.
Asked what he thought about the unpublished study involving the creation of a pandemic strain of flu deliberately designed to escape the control of the human immune system, Professor Jeffries said: “That would be a problem.”
Rebecca Moritz, who is responsible for overseeing Wisconsin’s work on “select agents” such as influenza virus, said that Professor Kawaoka’s work on 2009 H1N1 is looking at the changes to the virus that are needed for existing vaccines to become ineffective.
“With that being said, this work is not to create a new strain of influenza with pandemic potential, but [to] model the immune-pressure the virus is currently facing in our bodies to escape our defences,” Ms Moritz said.
“The work is designed to identify potential circulating strains to guide the process of selecting strains used for the next vaccine…The committee found the biosafety containment procedures to be appropriate for conducting this research. I have no concerns about the biosafety of these experiments,” she said.
Professor Kawaoka said that he has presented preliminary findings of his H1N1 study to the WHO, which were “well received”.
“We are confident our study will contribute to the field, particularly given the number of mutant viruses we generated and the sophisticated analysis applied,” he said.
“There are risks in all research. However, there are ways to mitigate the risks. As for all the research on influenza viruses in my laboratory, this work is performed by experienced researchers under appropriate containment and with full review and prior approval by the [biosafety committee],” he added.

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Why is this experiment different from what has been done before?
This is the first time that someone has taken a strain of influenza virus, called H1N1, known to have caused a global epidemic, in other words a “pandemic”, and deliberately mutated it many times over. It can then evade the neutralising antibodies of the human immune system, which have protected much of the human population since the virus first emerged in 2009.
What has been done previously in this laboratory?
Professor Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin-Madison attempted to increase the transmissibility of the H5N1 bird flu strain by genetic manipulation and repeated infection in laboratory ferrets, an animal model of human influenza. H5N1 is highly lethal when it infects people, but in the wild it is very difficult to transmit from one person to another and is usually caught by direct contact with infected poultry.
The H1N1 flu virus from 2009

Professor Kawaoka’s most recent published research was on reconstructing the 1918 flu virus, the genetic structure which was known from samples retrieved from the frozen corpses of its victims buried in the Arctic, from wild strains of bird flu isolated from ducks. He managed to do this, but the study was widely criticised as “stupid” and “irresponsible”.
Why does he want to do this work?
The aim is to understand what is known as “gain of function”. What does it take, genetically, for a virus to become more infectious or more lethal? If we could understand this process then we would be in a better position to develop drugs, vaccines and other measures to protect ourselves from a sudden emergence of a new and deadly flu strain, or so Professor Kawaoka has argued.
Does he have the support of other scientists?
There is a big split within the scientific community over this kind of work. Some flu specialists support it, provided it is done under strictly regulated and controlled conditions. Others, mostly experts in infectious diseases outside the flu community, are passionately opposed to the work, claiming that the risks of an accidental (or even deliberate) release that will cause a devastating pandemic are too great to justify any practical benefits that may come out of the work.
Have there been any accidental releases from labs in the past?
Some experts cite the unexpected emergence of a new H1N1 strain of flu in 1977, which spread globally over three decades, as an early example of a flu virus being accidentally released from a lab. Genetic evidence points to it having escaped from a lab in China or the Soviet Union.
There are many examples of other infectious agents escaping from labs. Smallpox virus escaped from Birmingham Medical School in 1978 and killed a medical photographer, Janet Parker, the last person to die of smallpox. Foot and mouth virus escaped in 2007 from a veterinary lab in Surrey and in 2004 the SARS virus escaped from a high-containment lab in Beijing, infecting nine people before it was stopped.



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Well, it looks clear to me that he is not General Tojo incarnate, bent on revenge for Hiroshima, though we were promised revenge. (I say that strictly in humor.) And I suppose, when I look into it closer, he is a top-notch scientist intent on battling pandemics not creating them. Just because what he's studying almost certainly won't occure in nature the same way does not mean there can be no remarkable discovery in his work that may lead to breakthroughs in vaccine development. The question of course is how dangerous is the study? I agree with CRS DrPh..., Chuck that this stuff is so dangerous and with an unknown outcome, it should just not be touched in this way. But what if it could be studied in a 100% risk-proof government facility? Like maybe in Atlanta......hehe

But it is becoming clearer to me that he's not a cook or Dr Evil. Sometimes risks are taken and major breakthroughs are discovered. I'm mixed on this.
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Kawaoka isn't "evil," but unethical.  Please read this: 

“These recent studies raise strong ethical questions,” said lead author Marc Lipsitch, professor of epidemiology and director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at HSPH. “We have accepted principles, embodied in the Nuremberg Code, that say that biomedical experiments posing a risk to human subjects should only be undertaken if they provide benefits that sufficiently offset the risks—and if there are no other means of obtaining those benefits. Although these experiments don’t involve people directly, they do put human life and well-being at risk.”

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/bird-flu-experiments-pose-risk-of-accidental-release/

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I see. The outcome is an unknown while there are other safer or risk-free alternatives. It's in violation of protocol of The Code. Ethics supersede.

Though it is of course true that the Nazis experimented on Jews to their deaths and the Israeli Military uses many of those experiments today to their advantage, those experiments were of course against the will of the Jews and that is the reason why the Nuremberg Code was established. Kawaoka then is clearly in violation of that sacred code.

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He is clearly in violation of at least (1), (2), and, (6) of the Ten Points of the Nuremberg Code.
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